{"id":16240,"date":"2021-02-15T11:08:52","date_gmt":"2021-02-15T11:08:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/?page_id=16240"},"modified":"2021-08-02T17:09:56","modified_gmt":"2021-08-02T17:09:56","slug":"llt-bms-15s7p-14s7p-51-8v-setup","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/llt-bms-15s7p-14s7p-51-8v-setup\/","title":{"rendered":"LLT BMS 15S7P (14S7P) 51.8V Setup"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
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Quick Link Downloads<\/strong><\/span>
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Samsung 50E Datasheet<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/td>\nJBDTools V1.6-20170622<\/a><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
BMS\u00a0 Apps<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/td>\nBMS Settings 51.8v 5.5A<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
BMS Wiring<\/a>
\n<\/span><\/span><\/td>\n		USB Drivers<\/a>
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\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/td>\n\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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15S 60A BMS WITH BLUETOOTH<\/strong>
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15S Lititium ion Smart BMS Charger (Discharge 60A)<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
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PC Communication Tool Connected to The BMS<\/span><\/td>\n<\/td>\nBMS Bluetooth Module (Please note 10v supply)<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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What we are doing here is something different.<\/span><\/p>\n

We currently have a 13S7P battery which is 41.8V Nominal and 54.6V (53.3V) Full Charge, and we are changing its configuration to a 15S7P battey (55.6V nominal, 63V fully charged), but setting the BMS to be the same voltage as a 14S7P (51.8V nominal, 58.8V fully charged). The voltage of a fully charged 14S battery is 58.8V, so we need to set the maximum voltage of each cell to match.<\/span><\/p>\n

Rather than charging a 14S to 14 x 4.2V = 58.8V, we are charging a 15S to 15 x 3.92 = 58.8V, giving us greater battery lifetime and maintaining 58.8V fully charged to maximumize speed. So by using a 15S configuration with the maximum voltage of each cell set to 3.92V we would acheive the desired maximum voltage of a 14S battery.<\/span><\/p>\n

If arrange our cells is a 15S configuration and calculate what maximum voltage of each cell we would need to match the fully charged voltage of a 14S, retaining our desired fully charged voltage and further extending the battries lifetime.<\/span><\/p>\n

Fully charged 14S = 14 x 4.2V = 58.8V<\/span><\/p>\n

If we devide the fully charged voltage of a 14S and divide that by 15, that would give us the voltage we need to charge each cell.<\/span><\/p>\n

58.8V \/ 15 = 3.92V<\/span><\/p>\n

Double checking our math<\/span><\/p>\n

15 * 3.92V = 58.8V<\/span><\/p>\n

We have decided we want to set our 15S BMS to have a voltage range for each cell to 3.92v (58.8V) to 3.1V (46.5V). By doing this we do reduce the usable capacity of the battery, but increase the longevity of the battery.<\/span><\/p>\n

Lowering the fully charged cell voltage to 3.92V from 4.2V reduces our cell capacity by around 125mAh, so we only loose a small amount of capacity, but the longevity of the cell is greatly increased.<\/span><\/p>\n

Setting the lower cut off voltage of each cell from 2.5V to 3.1V also reduces our cell capacity, we loose 750mAh\u00a0 amount of capacity, but the longevity of the cell is greatly increased.The lower end voltage has a more pronounced effect on the longevity of the battery.
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If we look at the graph, when we look at the vertical voltage axis at 3.1V and go along the horizontal capacity axis to the point on the green 5A discharge rate curve reaches 3.1V point on the vertical axis, and follow the black line to the horizontal capacity axis, we get a reading of 4050mAh.<\/span><\/p>\n

Since we would loose 125mAh due to the upper voltage being 3.92V we would have to remove this from the capacity.<\/span><\/p>\n

So from our 4900mAh Samsung cells we get<\/span><\/p>\n

4050mAh - 125mAh = 3925mAh for each cell<\/span><\/p>\n

Since we have a 7P arrangement we would multiply our 3925mAh x 7 to give us our usable capacity of our battery.<\/span><\/p>\n

Our fully charged voltage would be 15 x 3.92V = 58.8V<\/span><\/p>\n

and our capacity would be 3925mAh x 7 = 27.475Ah<\/span><\/p>\n

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The black vertical lines show the capacity of each cell with a current draw of 5A at various voltage cuttoff limits. the first black line shows the capacity of each cell when a 3.1V cutoff is used. The peak cell voltage set at 3.92V you only loose 125mAh, the lower the upperlimit the greater the longevity of the battery. Using 4.1V to 3.1V would give a cell capacity of around 4050mAh - 125mAh = .3925mAh<\/span><\/p>\n

Click here to download the Samsung 50E datasheet<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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The chart below shows various BMS settings when using a 5A discharge rate<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<\/colgroup>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\nPack Capacity<\/span><\/td>\nCell Capacity<\/span><\/td>\nNominal Voltage<\/span><\/td>\nPack Capacity<\/span><\/td>\nHigh Pack Voltage<\/span><\/td>\nLow Pack Voltage<\/span><\/td>\nHigh Cell Voltage<\/span><\/td>\nLow Cell Voltage<\/span><\/td>\nUsable Capacity<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
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1
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		21.35Ah<\/span><\/td>\n3050mAh<\/span><\/td>\n51.8V<\/span><\/td>\n1106Wh<\/span><\/td>\n52.00V<\/span><\/td>\n48.00V<\/span><\/td>\n3.80V<\/span><\/td>\n3.20V<\/span><\/td>\n62.24%<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		23.80Ah<\/span><\/td>\n3400mAh<\/span><\/td>\n51.8V<\/span><\/td>\n1232Wh<\/span><\/td>\n52.00V<\/span><\/td>\n46.50V<\/span><\/td>\n3.80V<\/span><\/td>\n3.10V<\/span><\/td>\n69.38%<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
3
\n<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n		27.47Ah<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n3925mAh<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n51.8V<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n1423Wh<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n58.80V<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n46.50V<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n3.92V<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n3.10V<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n80.08%<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
4
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		29.22Ah<\/span><\/td>\n4175mAh<\/span><\/td>\n51.8V<\/span><\/td>\n1513Wh<\/span><\/td>\n58.80V<\/span><\/td>\n45.00V<\/span><\/td>\n3.92V<\/span><\/td>\n3.00V<\/span><\/td>\n85.19%<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
5
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		30.27Ah<\/span><\/td>\n4325mAh<\/span><\/td>\n51.8V<\/span><\/td>\n1568Wh<\/span><\/td>\n58.80V<\/span><\/td>\n43.50V<\/span><\/td>\n3.92V<\/span><\/td>\n2.90V<\/span><\/td>\n88.25%<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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Below is a table used in setting the BMS up to a 58.8v Nominal - 27.47Ah battery with a range of 3.92V to 3.1v - 58.8V - 46.5V (Number 3 in the list)
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\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\nCapacity (V)<\/span><\/td>\nCell Voltage (mV)<\/span><\/td>\nBattery Voltage (V)
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n100%<\/span><\/td>\n3920<\/span><\/td>\n58.8
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n80%<\/span><\/td>\n3756<\/span><\/td>\n56.3
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n60%<\/span><\/td>\n3592<\/span><\/td>\n53.8
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n40%<\/span><\/td>\n3428<\/span><\/td>\n51.4
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n20%<\/span><\/td>\n3264<\/span><\/td>\n48.9
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n0%<\/span><\/td>\n3100<\/span><\/td>\n46.5
\n<\/span><\/td>\n		\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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The % capacity in mV for each cell voltage is calculated by<\/span><\/p>\n

(Cell maximum voltage - Cell Minimum voltage) \/5<\/span><\/p>\n

3920mV - 3100mV = 820mV<\/span><\/p>\n

820mV\/5 = 164mV<\/span><\/td>\n

From the cell minimum voltage, the 20% Capacity setting would be<\/span><\/p>\n

3100mV + 164mV = 3264mV<\/span><\/p>\n

From the cell minimum voltage, the 40% Capacity setting would be<\/span><\/p>\n

3100mV + 328mV = 3428mV<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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This would continue to the cell maximum voltage setting to 3920mV, we do not need this value for these settings, but is a useful guide to check the math is correct.<\/span><\/p>\n

If we are charging these batteries with a 58.8V 3A charger, roughly we are charging each cell at 0.42A (3A \/ 7) which is well below the standard 2.45A, for the Samsung 50e, used in capacity testing. When charging at 0.42A we would see an increase in capacity of charge, although not tested.
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The diagram below shows the charge time for our battery charging at 3A. Time to full charge approx. 7 hours, allow an extra hour on full charge for the cells to balance, the app will show you when all cells are balanced.<\/span><\/p>\n

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If we are charging these batteries with a 58.8V 5A charger, roughly we are charging each cell at 0.71A (5A \/ 7) which is well below the standard 2.45A, for the Samsung 50e, used in capacity testing. When charging at 0.71A we would see a decrease in capacity of charge, although not tested.<\/span><\/p>\n

The diagram below shows the charge time for our battery charging at 5A. Time to full charge approx. 4.5 hours, allow an extra hour on full charge for the cells to balance, the app will show you when all cells are balanced.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Below is a screen shot of the pc communication software set up for our rack battery, 48.1v 13s5p using Samsung 50e cells, voltage ranges from 3920mv to 3100mv (No 3 in the table above). The charge over protection current has been set to 5.5A giving us the option to use a 5A or 3A charger.<\/span><\/p>\n

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BMS Android Apps<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

The file is a zip file with 3 versions of the app, some versions work better on different phones. Download the files on a pc or laptop, you will need to unzip the files, then transfere them to your phone to install. Some versions of the app work better on different phones and android versions. There is a cutdown version on google play store but does not have all the extended features.<\/span><\/p>\n

Click here to download the apps<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Below is a screen shot of the pc co<\/span><\/p>\n

PC Software<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Below are links for software for the PC data port, its USB drivers and setting up instructions<\/span><\/p>\n

JBDTools V1.6-20170622<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

USB Drivers<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

JBDTools (BMS) Detailed parameter settings<\/strong><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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Download and unzip the above files<\/span><\/p>\n

Click here to download the zipped BMS file<\/strong><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

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Unzip the BMS file<\/span><\/p>\n

Install JBDTools (and USB drivers if needed)<\/span><\/p>\n

Open JBDTools<\/span><\/p>\n

Click on the \"COM\" Button and select your com port that the USB is connected to<\/span><\/p>\n

Click on the \"Start\" button, if you have selcted the correct com port and the usb drivers are working you should be able to use the software<\/span><\/p>\n

Press the Open \"Eprom\" button<\/span><\/p>\n

Select the unzipped BMS file and open the file<\/span><\/p>\n

This then will populate the fiekds in JBDTools.<\/span><\/p>\n

If you make changes to the settings use the \"Save Eprom\" button to make a back up<\/span><\/p>\n

Next click the \"Write Eprom\" button, this should now program your BMS<\/span><\/p>\n

Check that your settings have been applied by selecting the \"Read Eprom button\", if your values change back to default setting, re wite the BMS file to the BMS<\/span><\/p>\n

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Below is a screen shot of the pc communication software set up for our 14s(15s) battery, 58.8v 14s7p(15s7p) using Samsung 50e cells, voltage ranges from 3920mv to 3100mv (No 3 in the table above). The charge over protection current has been set to 5.5A giving us the option to use a 5A or 3A charger.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Abbreviations<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
COVP<\/span><\/td>\nCharge Over Voltage Protection<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
CUVP<\/span><\/td>\nCharge Under Voltage Protection<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
POVP<\/span><\/td>\nPack Over Voltage Protection<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
PUVP<\/span><\/td>\nPack Under Voltage Protection<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
CHGOT<\/span><\/td>\nCharge Over Temperature<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
CHGUT<\/span><\/td>\nCharge Under Temperature<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
DSGOT<\/span><\/td>\nDischarge Over Temperature<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
DSGUT<\/span><\/td>\nDischarge Under Temperature<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
CHGOC<\/span><\/td>\nCharge Over Current<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
DSGOC<\/span><\/td>\nDischarge Over Current<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Design Cap<\/span><\/td>\nPack capacity = Each cell (4900mah) x No if cells in parallel (5)<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Cycle Cap<\/span><\/td>\nPack Actual Capacity = Each cell (4525mAh ) x Number of cells in parallel (5)<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Full Chg Vol<\/span><\/td>\nDesigned full charge voltage of each cell<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
End of Dsg Vol<\/span><\/td>\nDesigned end of discharge voltage of each cell<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
NTC 1 & NTC 2<\/span><\/td>\nTemperature sensors 1 and 2 (on\/off)<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
BALANCE_EN<\/span><\/td>\nEnable balance during normal running<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
CHG_BALANCE<\/span><\/td>\nEnable balance during charging<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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Quick Link Downloads Samsung 50E Datasheet JBDTools V1.6-20170622 BMS\u00a0 Apps BMS Settings 51.8v 5.5A BMS Wiring USB Drivers \u00a0 \u00a0   15S 60A BMS WITH BLUETOOTH 15S Lititium ion Smart BMS Charger (Discharge 60A) PC Communication Tool Connected to The BMS BMS Bluetooth Module (Please note 10v supply)   What we are doing here is something different. We currently have Continue Reading<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"page-fullwidth.php","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-16240","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/16240","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=16240"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/16240\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":16807,"href":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/16240\/revisions\/16807"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/dcrark.com\/dcrark\/distilling\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=16240"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}